Oscar's Net Worth is $3 Billion: His Goal? Build a Family Legacy That Lasts Generations
On Moneywise, we don't do secrets—Oscar shares the full breakdown of his wealth, from his $50 billion company to how he's spending every dollar.
We spoke to Oscar in this week's episode of Moneywise.
Oscar built a $50 billion company over decades, owns a 6.7% stake worth $3+ billion, and still shops for $15 t-shirts at Men's Warehouse. Oscar served in Vietnam, earning a Purple Heart, before starting his business journey, drawing inspiration from his father who started multiple businesses to support their family of eight children.
Like all Moneywise episodes, Oscar breaks down his net worth, income, portfolio, and monthly expenses and then I, your humble host, pick it all apart.
We also went deep on: his philosophy of putting God first, then family, then company; how he bought a company every six weeks for 20 years; and his approach to generational wealth planning that includes drug tests for heirs.
And by the way...this podcast, the concept of it came from Hampton. Hampton is a community for entrepreneurs that I created, and it gives me a front-row seat to conversations that high-net-worth individuals have about their money and their lives. I thought these kinds of conversations should be made public, which is why I created Moneywise. If you're a CEO, founder, or business owner, check this out. New Moneywise episodes come out weekly.
Now, below are the notes and the full transcript.
The Numbers
- Net Worth: $3+ billion (6.7% stake in his company)
- Company Valuation: Over $50 billion
- Major Assets:
- Ranch: Purchased for $28 million with an additional $15 million in improvements
- Florida oceanfront home: $15 million, 22,000 sq ft
- Private jet: $49 million
- Car collection: 300 cars (mostly American-made classics, hot rods, plus exotics)
- Car garages: Two buildings totaling approx. 150,000 sq ft
- Portfolio: Almost entirely in his own company stock with about $50 million in other public companies
- Annual Personal Spending: $6-7 million per year
- Largest Recurring Expenses: Ranch maintenance, private jet operations, staff for properties
Building Wealth With Patience and Focus
Oscar's wealth journey began with lessons from his father, who couldn't read or write but had an incredible entrepreneurial spirit. "My dad couldn't read or write, but there was eight of us kids, so he never worked for somebody my whole life. He always could start a business with the drop of a hat," Oscar explained. This early exposure to business gave Oscar a foundation in various industries—from dairy and chicken farming to demolition and snow removal.
After serving in Vietnam (where he earned a Purple Heart), Oscar returned home and began building his own business empire. He noticed an opportunity in the commerce sector where competitors weren't reinvesting profits or adopting new technology. "I could see that there was not a lot of competition and it was... not a lot. There was a lot of competition, but there wasn't nobody doing it right," he shared.
What makes Oscar's story remarkable is his commitment to continual growth rather than selling out. "I bought a company every six weeks for 20 years," he said, describing his aggressive acquisition strategy that built his business across the nation. His approach was simple but effective—calling competitors monthly to express interest in buying them if they ever wanted to sell.
The Power of Partnership: Family First
Oscar credits much of his success to the unwavering support of his wife of 57 years. "I got a wife that backs me. It doesn't matter if it's a woman, a man or a woman. The mate you pick out has to go with you," he emphasized. When describing his values, he was clear about his priorities: "I put God first, then I put the family, and then I put the company."
This partnership was tested multiple times, including when Oscar asked his wife to sell their home to invest in the business. "I come home one day, I bought a house on a GI Bill in California, and I come in to my wife and I said, I found a little company I want to buy. And she said, yeah. And I said, we got to sell the house," he recalled. The family moved into a trailer on the property while he worked until 10 PM every night to get the company on its feet.
"Did we give up a lot? We I don't know that we gave up a lot, but we risked a lot. We didn't have a problem risking what we had to see the outcome of something else," Oscar reflected. He observes that many aspiring entrepreneurs are held back when their partners aren't willing to take similar risks.
Building a Multi-Billion Dollar Business
Oscar's business strategy evolved significantly when he discovered the power of public offerings. Initially unfamiliar with the concept, he learned how it worked by reading a prospectus from a competitor who had gone public. "I read the prospectus and I said, hey, I don't see in this prospectus nowhere you got to pay this money back," he recalled.
After connecting with investment bankers, Oscar secured a $10 million loan to fuel his growth. The condition was that he had to focus exclusively on one type of business. "I said, you got to sell all them off and concentrate on this one," he explained. This forced focus paid off unexpectedly—when he sold his other businesses, he realized he had accumulated $15 million in assets without even recognizing it.
Oscar completed four public offerings over time, continuously betting on himself by selling more stock to fund additional acquisitions. "Kept betting on everything that I was doing because I was making a cookie cutter across the nation," he explained.
His approach with investment bankers was refreshingly direct. When they asked questions he considered irrelevant to his industry, he didn't hesitate to speak his mind. "Some of the bankers looked down and said, you got no education. I go, no, they'd ask me dumb questions and me not knowing them. I said, well, that was a dumb question," he recalled. Some meetings ended with Oscar walking out when he felt the bankers weren't aligned with his vision: "I only want shareholders that wants to believe in me and my dream."
Creating a Family Legacy
Oscar's philosophy on wealth extends well beyond his own lifetime. He has established an elaborate system of trusts to distribute his wealth across generations of his family. "We got him in all these living trusts and regular trusts. So it's going to go through down through generations and we call it generation skipping. So it goes through generations of our kids and our grandkids and our and great grandkids," he explained.
Rather than giving his heirs everything at once, Oscar has created a time-release system that distributes wealth as they reach certain ages and continues over decades. "They get it when they turn a certain age, they get it, and then they get it over the next 40 years. And then if they die, it goes to their kids and it's over time," he said.
Interestingly, Oscar has built in accountability measures—heirs must pass annual hair drug tests to receive their distributions. "If you don't pass a hair drug test, then you don't get that," he stated matter-of-factly. This approach ensures his descendants are "wealthy, but they're not stupid wealthy."
Oscar believes in sharing wealth while he's alive to see his family enjoy it. "When you got sisters and brothers, if you can give it to them while they're alive and they get to buy new homes and cars and everything. Then you get to see it while you're alive. Wait until you die to give it. That's not no good," he emphasized. This generosity has created a ripple effect as family members "pay it forward" by helping their own children.
Staying Grounded Despite Billions
Despite his enormous wealth, Oscar maintains a surprisingly modest personal style. Inspired by a childhood encounter with Sam Walton (founder of Walmart), Oscar decided early on that if he ever became wealthy, he would remain unchanged and approachable.
"I buy my shirts at home at Men's Wearhouse Warehouse or academy. I go and earn. I see shirts at 14, 15, 20 bucks and I go, that's good for me. I'll take 4 or 5 of them. People don't recognize me as being wealthy," he shared. His morning routine includes breakfast at Cracker Barrel with his grandson rather than exclusive clubs or high-end restaurants.
While his closet may be filled with inexpensive clothes, Oscar does enjoy some significant luxuries—particularly his collection of 300 cars housed in massive garages totaling approximately 150,000 square feet. "They're all old cars and hot rods," he explained, noting that most are American-made classics, though he has a separate building for exotic brands like Ferrari and Lamborghini.
His portfolio reflects his unwavering belief in his own business—almost all of his $3+ billion net worth remains invested in his company stock. "All of it, maybe $50 million is somewhere else, but that's a minor amount," he admitted. This concentration of wealth has worked spectacularly for him: "When it goes up a dollar, I go I make 53 million bucks."
Other Key Quotes
"My mom taught me: Nobody's better than you. And you're no better than anybody else. And that's the way that I looked at it, is just, you know, you're not better. I don't care how smart you are. You're not better than me. But I'm not better than you. We're just all humans."
"I never had debt. Just grow, grow, grow, put and don't go out and buy a brand new Ferrari, brand new Mercedes. When you're just getting on your feet, still drive that Chevrolet or Ford and buy a brand new forklift, or a brand new truck, or a brand new something that makes you money."
"People that really built a good company are doing it, and they want to gamble again. And the security of the big paychecks was a security blanket that hurt them."
"I made a lot of major changes at my competitors said, you're stupid for doing it, but but I did it and it worked out."
"My dad says, man, that guy's really he's got a bunch of stores now. He's doing really good. But you never knew that he had his back. Then he had an airplane, a Piper Cub or something. He flew to Missouri to all the places. He said you never knew who Sam Walton was. You wouldn't knew he was wealthy then, before he went public."
Links You Might Like
- Permission to Shine Podcast - Andrew Namemy's podcast (who found Oscar for this interview)
Full Transcript
[00:00:01] Oscar: I bought a company every six weeks for 20 years.
[00:00:04] Sam Parr: Hey, everyone. I'm back. It's Sam with money wise. Today's episode is extra special because it's with the first billionaire who's ever been on the show. Now, look, billionaires, they're very secretive, and there's not that many of them. I don't know if there's ever been one who's willingly revealed all of their finances. But we have it. That's what we have today. Now, we talk a lot about selling your business on the show. That's how a lot of people make a lot of money, because building a business and selling it for tens of millions of dollars, that's awesome. It opens up an entirely new lifestyle, an entirely new set of opportunity. But in today's episode, we have Oscar, and his story is what happens when you don't sell. It's when you keep focusing on growth decade after decade.
[00:00:45] Harry Morton: What's the valuation today?
[00:00:46] Oscar: Roughly a little over 50 billion.
[00:00:49] Sam Parr: In this episode, Oscar's going to tell us how he became a billionaire and how his life has changed along the way, including why his closet is still mostly full of $15 t shirts. We're gonna hear how he became a billionaire without sacrificing his personal values, and how he always puts his family first, and how he's passing on a nearly unimaginable amount of wealth.
[00:01:14] Sam Parr: Now, before we get into everything, I want to give a quick shout out to Andrew Namemy. Andrew has a podcast called Permission to Shine, and we asked him to go and find a billionaire to interview for this episode of Money Wise. And if this is your first time listening to money wise, here's the gist. You see, Instagram is full of quick hits and all that stuff on how to get rich, but there's not a lot of information out there on how to handle life after you've already made a bunch of money, but I'm able to see a lot of these conversations, and I'm able to see that because I own a company called Hampton. It's Join Hampton. It's a community for CEOs, business owners, things like that. And because of that, I'm able to see all these conversations that happen among high net worth people. I'm able to see all the conversations that typically happen behind closed doors. I can see all that. And I thought, you know, I think a lot of these need to be made public. Hence this podcast, money wise and so on. Money wise, we talk to real people who have made a lot of money, and we figure out how it changed their lives. And also along the way, they're brutally honest about their finances, their expenses, their monthly spend, things like that, and more importantly, all the personal challenges that come with success and how they've managed them. And so if you're a CEO, if you're a startup founder, if you're a business owner, go ahead, check out my company, join Hamptons.com. You're gonna be able to connect with a ton of other successful people, people just like you. So today's guest, Oscar. His business is worth about $50 billion. However, how much of that does he actually own?
[00:02:41] Oscar: Six. 7% of it.
[00:02:42] Harry Morton: So what's the math on that?
[00:02:44] Oscar: Oh, it's a lot. It's over 3 billion.
[00:02:47] Harry Morton: Yeah.
[00:02:48] Sam Parr: And like we teased in the beginning, you wouldn't really guessed it based on his wardrobe.
[00:02:53] Oscar: I buy my shirts at home at Men's Wearhouse Warehouse or academy. I go in there and I see shirts at 14, 15, 20 bucks and I go, that's good for me. I'll take 4 or 5 of them. People don't recognize me as being wealthy.
[00:03:06] Harry Morton: That's gotta be nice.
[00:03:07] Oscar: I tell you what, when I was growing up in Arkansas, me and my dad went into Bentonville, Arkansas, and this was back in the 60s, and I met Sam Walton, and he'd come out of a shoe store, and he had an old pickup there and hay in the back of it, and he had his dog in the back of it, and he walked out and my dad said, he said, told him, told him hi because he didn't he wasn't big at that time. He was just starting to grow. And dad had been to his store and said, hey, how you doing, Sam? He said, good. And he sat there and talked. Dad talked to him for a while. He told him, dad says, man, that guy's really he's got a bunch of stores now. He's doing really good. But you never knew that he had his back. Then he had an airplane, a Piper Cub or something. He flew to Missouri to all the places. He said you never knew who Sam Walton was. You wouldn't knew he was wealthy then, before he went public. But you just said you'd never recognize it. Because he had hay on his bottom of his shoes and old dog in the back of his truck. And and I remembered that. And I was only, like, 13, 14 years old. And I remember I said, that guy's wealthy. And he says, oh, well, he's pretty wealthy. So I thought, you know what? If I ever get wealthy, I don't want to change. I want people to look at me like, okay, you're just a regular guy.
[00:04:19] Harry Morton: And that's a really powerful story. Yeah. And it's why you went to Cracker Barrel this morning with your grandson. That's right.
[00:04:24] Oscar: Went to Cracker Barrel. That's more of a breakfast.
[00:04:26] Sam Parr: However, I wouldn't exactly call Oscar a regular guy.
[00:04:30] Harry Morton: What do your biggest expenses look like?
[00:04:33] Oscar: Uh. Just running. We have a home in Florida, and we have one up here in the middle of the United States. It's a ranch. And so it's probably my biggest expenses is keeping the ranch going, because I've got hundreds and hundreds of cars. I've got a lot of cattle. So between the cattle and the mechanics and everybody keeps all my cars going and and on the ranch, that's probably the biggest expense we have.
[00:04:53] Harry Morton: Where did the ranch cost to buy?
[00:04:56] Oscar: Paid 28 million and put another? Another 15 million in it. But I had big buildings to put my cars.
[00:05:02] Harry Morton: It's beautiful. You have two massive garages. How big is each garage?
[00:05:06] Oscar: 1 to 2 acres and one's one acre.
[00:05:08] Harry Morton: What is that in square feet?
[00:05:09] Oscar: Probably 150,000ft².
[00:05:12] Harry Morton: Okay. And you have how many cars?
[00:05:14] Oscar: 300.
[00:05:15] Harry Morton: 300 cars. They're beautiful.
[00:05:17] Oscar: They're all old cars and hot rods.
[00:05:19] Harry Morton: Collectibles like Chevys. Right. Your big 1955 guy.
[00:05:22] Oscar: Most of them are American made. Well, the most of them are American made. And, of course, you go to the exotic building and it's got the Ferraris and the Porsches and Lamborghinis and stuff like that.
[00:05:32] Harry Morton: And then you have a house in Florida. Do you remember what you purchased that for?
[00:05:36] Oscar: Yeah, we get 15 million for it.
[00:05:38] Harry Morton: How big is it?
[00:05:39] Oscar: It's 22,000ft² on the ocean.
[00:05:42] Harry Morton: Okay. What other major expenses?
[00:05:44] Oscar: We got a family jet. That's pretty expensive. Is 49 million. That's a pretty good chunk of change for it, but I let my kids use it all the time and we use it all the time.
[00:05:55] Harry Morton: And can you tell us what it takes to be able to fly private like that?
[00:05:59] Oscar: Well, on that you don't have to start off with a global. A global is like 15,000 an hour. So you can buy a smaller jet, used jet, smaller jet for a couple thousand dollars an hour. But then you got to hire a pilot because you can't fly them. And most jets take two of them. But you're flying a, you know, a 15, 20 year old jet, which they're all okay, nothing wrong with them. But we got a big family, so I got a big plane. So it's really how much you want to spend. But it's hard to get any private plane for less than $2,000 an hour. It might be the way it is today with cost of fuel. I could be off by 1000 or $2500 an hour or so. Flying private. It's not cheap.
[00:06:40] Harry Morton: It's really not.
[00:06:40] Oscar: And if you got a company so you it makes enough money, you can write it off and depreciate it. It's great. But I'm private, I don't have I can't depreciate it and I can't write it off, so it's just a dead expense.
[00:06:51] Harry Morton: It's a straight out of the bank account.
[00:06:53] Oscar: Just like having a cow or a horse.
[00:06:55] Harry Morton: Wait, so 49 million. Do you write a cheque for that?
[00:06:58] Oscar: Oh, yeah.
[00:06:59] Harry Morton: Oh.
[00:07:01] Oscar: Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, you just sell a little bit of stock and you write a cheque for it.
[00:07:06] Sam Parr: There's some really big line items in Oscar's personal expenses, including the amount of money his wife spends and what he gives to his family. We're also going to do a portfolio breakdown in a second, which is actually amazingly surprising given how much he's worth. And he's actually willing to do that. But before we get to that, let's back up a bit. How the hell did Oscar get to a point in his life where writing a $49 million check is no big deal? We have to start by understanding the key values in Oscar's life. These are values that he has never deviated from and have been critical to his success.
[00:07:43] Oscar: I put God first, then I put the family, and then I put the company.
[00:07:47] Sam Parr: Team members, investors, partners, they all have the potential to come and go. And let's face it, they all have their best interests in mind first. But family in most cases, if you do have the same for them, they will always be there, decade in, decade out. Oscar's entire foundation is built around that value, and it's something he learned to do while he was young.
[00:08:08] Oscar: My dad couldn't read or write, but there was eight of us kids, so he never worked for somebody my whole life. He always he could start a business with the drop of a hat. So growing up, dad would build a company as long as us kids could work in it. When it got bigger than us, kids could run it in him. He'd auctioned it off and started something else. So growing up, we was in the dairy business. The chicken egg business. We was in the underground dirt business. We was in the concrete business and block laying business and demolition of buildings business. We was in all snow moving business, milk and cows. We was in a lot of lumber Lumberyard. So about every year we got different training because he auctioned it off and started something else.
[00:08:52] Harry Morton: And what did your mom do?
[00:08:53] Oscar: She kept the books. She took care of all those kids. And she always kept the books because, like I said, dad couldn't read. He'd come in and bring the newspaper in, and she'd read all the want ads, different ads, sales ads, and she'd read them to me. He said, well, okay, I can make some money doing that. And he'd get in the paper and he'd buy it. He bought a big wrecking yard up in Northern California once, and we went up there and counted all the cars, and it had to be scrapped out because he was putting a highway through there. He bought it and, uh, had to be gone and crushed all the cars and hauled them all off to the scrap iron. And then there was a big building down in woodland, California that the county wanted down. So he bid on it, and we went over there with a big old tractors and cranes and tore it all down, all the, all the dump. So it's just whenever he could find in a paper that he could make money at. Up in Lake Tahoe, They always had a lot of snow problems. So he bought some snow plows and started plowing off all the all the parking lots for the hotels and stuff. And he just whenever he sees he could make a dime, he figured it out.
[00:09:56] Sam Parr: Oscar, like his father, leans on his partner for support. And to him, this is one of the most important factors in his success.
[00:10:04] Oscar: I got a wife that backs me. It doesn't matter if it's a woman, a man or a woman. The mate you pick out has to go with you. Because if you think you're going to do something and your mate's against you or doesn't work with you, then it's tough on a marriage. Tough on your feelings. You're always afraid to say something to you. I'm not afraid to say nothing to my wife. And she ain't afraid to tell me nothing either. But she believes in whatever I believe in.
[00:10:29] Harry Morton: The ultimate.
[00:10:30] Oscar: Partnership. I don't say a little bit. I tell her. I tell her something I'm going to do. It might take me three hours to explain it, but I explain every little bit of it to her, and then she gives me her comments. But so we don't run it as I make the money and you just can spend it. No.
[00:10:45] Harry Morton: You said that when you met your spouse, you were 20 years old.
[00:10:49] Oscar: I was 20, and she was. She was 19. Yeah. I just got back from Nam.
[00:10:53] Harry Morton: And you told her that you were going to be wealthy someday?
[00:10:56] Oscar: Well, yeah, I did, like young guys always say brag. I just told her. I said, of course I'm driving my mom's Oldsmobile when I tell her.
[00:11:02] Harry Morton: I mean, you were poor, right? You guys were.
[00:11:03] Oscar: It was. We did? Yeah. One of my first job was working for Safeway as a $1. $10.15 an hour. But that was a long time ago. Stamps were only $0.03. You know, bread was $0.29. So.
[00:11:15] Sam Parr: Nam, you just heard him say it? Yes. Oscar's old enough to have served in Vietnam, and it was an experience that we can't brush over when talking about his life. Something like that will shape your life forever.
[00:11:27] Oscar: I didn't go there. It came, got me, I got drafted.
[00:11:30] Harry Morton: You ended up getting a Purple Heart.
[00:11:32] Oscar: Yeah, we. I was trained in Fort Polk, Louisiana, and my outfit got shipped out and they held me back to be a forward observer for mortars. And then I was shipped into a company called the first of 16 Rangers outfit in the first big red one. So I was attached to them, and then I was a FTC as a fire direction center. Calling in mortars was out in the field because mortars goes with you in the field. And then our foe got killed. And so they said you got promoted because I knew how to read a map and stuff. You got promoted to an Fo. And I said, well, I don't think I like to be an Fo because Fo is a forward observer. You and your radio guy goes ahead of the whole company, but you call in artillery. I mean, you call in the mortars. So anyway, I served half the time as FTC and the other half time as Fo.
[00:12:19] Harry Morton: Thank you for your service. That was a pretty important time in American history. What do you think that that gave you? Like, what do you take away from that experience?
[00:12:28] Oscar: Well, the military taught me a lot of stuff because I was kind of got away from the house and I was just a young guy, and I was just chasing girls and having a hot rod and working hard, and that's what it was. When I got in there, I learned a chain of command being clean. A coat of paint means a lot. Being, um, organized to all that and then being a team player. When I first got into basic training in Fort Ord, California, they take you down, shave all your hair off your head and take you down and get all your fatigues and everything. And then you line up and, uh, with a dye comes out and hollers at you. And I found out real quick if if you do what he says, you can be a team leader. So I worked real hard to be a team leader, and I got to be a team leader. So instead of having to do KP and everything else, I got to be a squad leader to be over the squad. And that means you get out of a lot of work, but you have to. You got to be a leader. And I was always used to being that with my dad. So. So I learned that. And I think when I went to ITE in Fort Polk, Louisiana, that's what they held me back for for more training. So it kind of it just gives me discipline. But I carried that through my company from when I first started my company. I always just our company is everything we have is all lined up. Everything that we have is always repainted. Every so many years everything's really clean, organized because the employees got to work there eight hours a day, every day. So you want to keep everything really nice for them. And a chain of command meant a really lot. And I made the company follow the chain of command. So the military taught me a lot.
[00:13:59] Sam Parr: So let's talk about building that company. Like I said at the beginning, Oscar has never sold. He started a company and he's still with it today. Instead of selling and starting something new every ten years or so, he's been locked in on growth, which has been an exponential journey. But before we go any further learning about how he did what he did, I want to address something. There are many reasons to become an entrepreneur. You may just want to get rich to support the lifestyle you want. You may want to be someone who doesn't have to report to anyone, or you'd prefer to be your own boss. Or maybe you're just someone who gets caught up in the passion of building things. The point is, just because Oscar built a company and because he's stuck with it and because it worked out for him, it doesn't mean that that will suit your purpose. Even if your goal is money. That said, it made him a multi-billionaire, so maybe that will sway you. But to learn how he did it and how the path has impacted his life, we first have to understand why. And we'll get to that in just a moment.
[00:15:02] Oscar: I don't think it was motivation for money. It was motivation to have a successful business because like I said, my dad was in all kinds of businesses. When I got out, I wanted to be in the business that I'm in, and I could see that there was not a lot of competition and it well, not a lot. There was a lot of competition, but there wasn't nobody doing it right. So I thought, okay, how do I get into this in the commerce business? So as I got into commerce business, I seen okay, they're doing it to all mom and pop and they're all not putting their money back in the company, and they're not making it good and they're not investing in technology. So I decided, okay, I'm going to change the industry. And I changed the industry a lot. I made a lot of major changes at my competitors. Said, you're stupid for doing it, but but I did it and it worked out. There was not very many downs. We had a lot of upside, but my first location that I bought, it was five acres. Me and my wife went around all four corners, and we preyed on all four corners and dedicated to the Lord, and from then on, going to the 12th grade and not going to college for nothing and learning accounting on my own. I bought a company every six weeks for 20 years, so I grew the company across the nation, and when I did that, every one of them deals I made. Usually when the mom and pop wanted to sell out, they usually call me because I called all my competitors once a month and say, hey, you guys ready to sell? They'd say no, and then I'd tell them that I'm interested in buying if they ever change their mind, and I'd get a phone call.
[00:16:31] Oscar: I'd get a phone call one day at had 3:00 in the afternoon and I said, I'll be there in the morning. So I'd get a red eye and I'd fly out and I'd be there to have breakfast with the guy in the morning, and we'd sit down at a table with a yellow pad, and we'd make a deal out how much you want, how much rent you want, how you want cash or you want stock, or do you want this or that? And we'd draw it out and I said, I'll have the lawyer send a copies to you tomorrow. And I would leave and I'd go back and have dinner and maybe with them then I'd pray about it that night. And if they changed the deal the next day, I'd just get up and walk out and say, I don't want to do the deal. I don't know if it was good or good or bad, but I asked for guidance and I got the guidance, so I just left and. Well, there's one that I didn't do and I should have done and I never got the permits. And we've had that land. I had that land for close to 25 years now, and we just got permits 25 years later, because I've never sold land. Once I buy land, I keep it. So we just kept it and it saved mothballed. But 25 years later we got permits for it. So now it's worth 20 times more than what I paid for it.
[00:17:39] Harry Morton: That's fascinating. How far into starting the company did you realize that it was going to be massive and generation changing?
[00:17:46] Oscar: I didn't know I had, uh, I had like five locations, and I was happy in the town I was in, and I was growing and another competitor in another in the same state, but in a larger city. He had took his company public, and I didn't know what public meant because I didn't I didn't watch the sports page and I didn't watch the, uh, stock pages. I didn't know what it was. Just a bunch of numbers. Didn't mean nothing to me. But I got his hand. I said he went public, and he raised, I don't know what he raised. Uh, $10 million and $10 million was a lot of money back then. And I thought, okay, well, how did he deal? So I got a prospectus and I read it, and, uh, my son, now son in law, was not my son in law. Then he was hanging out with me. He was only 19. And I read the prospectus and I said, hey, I don't see in this prospectus nowhere you got to pay this money back. He said, what do you mean? I said, I've read the whole thing twice. Why don't you do an offering? You don't have to pay it back. They just own part of your company, but you don't have to pay it back. He says, really? I said, I think I'm going to do that.
[00:18:48] Oscar: So I called a lawyer. When I got back and he told me what he could do, and I went into the library and got a little book Ernst and Young put out. Maybe the book was probably four inches wide, six inches tall, about 30 pages deep. And it says how to how to go public IPO. So I read it and then I found a lawyer that could help me out, and one in San Francisco. And uh, he said, well, investment banker, he said, you need an investment banker. So I found an investment banker that was interested in doing it, he says. But he says, I don't know if you make enough money to do it because you own all these other types of companies. And he said, But I'll raise you $10 million alone. And if you can invest that and show what you can do, then we'll hit these numbers. Then we probably can take it public. And I go, okay. But the deal was I had to sell off all my other companies other than this one, one type of company that I had, and I had other companies that was part of it, but wasn't it? I said, you got to sell all them off and concentrate on this one.
[00:19:52] Harry Morton: Double down in focus.
[00:19:53] Oscar: Yep. So I did I sold them all up. And when I sold them off, I sold them off for like $15 million. So I was rich and didn't know it. I was only going to get a $10 million loan.
[00:20:02] Harry Morton: How old were you at that time?
[00:20:03] Oscar: Probably 27, 28, something like that.
[00:20:07] Harry Morton: Did you have $15 million at 27?
[00:20:10] Oscar: Yeah, I sold off all the other companies, and I just doubled my money in these other companies that I didn't know I was rich because I just added another location, another location and another something else. And you.
[00:20:20] Harry Morton: Were just focused on.
[00:20:21] Oscar: Building. I was just focused on building it. And I had went to Detroit and bought a whole bunch of stuff after Iacocca had shut down the plants. I went to Taiwan and shipped in a bunch of stuff when they were making aftermarket stuff, and I was selling all that stuff, but anyway, I sold it off. I had a lot of cash. It wasn't ideal about the cash. It was ideal. I needed the investment bankers, their knowledge, how to take a company public because I knew nothing about that. So although I had the cash, I still took their 10 million and I grew it. But I had to go public within five years, or they owned 26% of my company. At that time, I was 74% ownership in it. But when I went public, I dropped down because I had to give a lot of stock out to go public. So I was like, I think it was like time. It was all said and done. I was like 50% ownership in the company, 40%.
[00:21:08] Sam Parr: Once Oscar had figured out how to make the public offerings work for him, he utilized them as a way to keep funneling cash into the company to maximize his growth potential.
[00:21:17] Oscar: I did about four offerings. I went back when I wanted to raise some more money to do more acquisitions, and sold more stock to get more cash to grow the company, and I did that.
[00:21:26] Harry Morton: Like you just kept betting on yourself.
[00:21:27] Oscar: Kept betting on everything that I was doing because I was making a cookie cutter across the nation.
[00:21:36] Sam Parr: When growing a company, planning and long term goals are a must. So there's all this advice out there on on how you should have this grand vision, and you should want to make the world a better place. And don't get me wrong, I think that's great and it's important. And it could totally work for you. But isn't it kind of crazy hearing Oscar's story where he basically was just kind of feeling it out and winging things along the way? Now, a lot of people, they're not gonna give you the advice to wing it, but I kind of like it. I kind of like just feeling the vibe out and seeing where things are gonna go, and it's kind of cool to hear that it worked so well for Oscar that it made him a billionaire. It's incredibly fascinating to hear, and I think I will say this, I think that there's something about following your gut. Oscar did a ton of that, and he followed his gut, even in situations where most people would have backed down.
[00:22:24] Oscar: Some of the bankers looked down and said, you got no education. I go, no, they'd ask me dumb questions and and me not knowing them. I said, well, that was a dumb question. And they look at me dumb and I go, I don't know where he got that question, but that can't even happen in our industry. And I go, and it was dumb. They were taught in college to ask these certain questions. When they asked me, I of course, the guy that took our competitor public, he was educated and everything, and he answered them that way. I just didn't put up with it. I said, well, that's just stupid. It can't happen that way. And I walked out on some investment bankers they got asking stupid things or or they asked me about my competitor. I said I didn't come in here to talk about my competitor. I read about them. Do what you want. This is me and a couple of them. I just said, you know what? I'm done. I just got up and walked out. And the bankers that was on my side, he said, you can't do that. You can't get out and walk out on them. They're the ones wanting to buy your stock. Well, I don't want them to be shareholders. I only want shareholders that wants to believe in me and my dream.
[00:23:21] Harry Morton: So did you ever feel like an underdog?
[00:23:23] Oscar: No, I never did.
[00:23:25] Harry Morton: Were you really confident, like when you were walking in these investment banker meetings? You know, a lot of times I'll have imposter syndrome, right? Like, you're sitting with somebody and you're like, man, am I. Am I worthy to be in this conversation? Did you ever have that, or were you always filled with a lot of confidence?
[00:23:35] Oscar: I'm kind of person that's always in command. I'm always in control of what I do. So I never had that education. Never meant nothing to me that much. I mean, I was taught to respect my teachers and everybody taught me, but I was never the young person that that somebody. This is the one thing my mom taught me. Nobody's better than you. And you're no better than anybody else. Amen. And that's the way that I looked at it, is just, you know, you're not better. I don't care how smart you are. You're not better than me. But I'm not better than you. We're just all humans. And it goes down to the guys washing. The taking care of the washing the floors, sweeping the floors. When I go visit, we call it an executive drop in, and our executives are supposed to drop into our locations. They're supposed to go in and talk to the guy sweeping the floor, More cleaning the bathrooms. Doing everything just as much as you do with the managers, you go and tell them how much you love them, how much you appreciate working for the company, and ask for their problems because some of them have problems and they they, they feel comfortable. If they can talk to the top executives of the company knowing that they care for them. And we have a really good company. It's really tight. We don't lose very many employees. We keep most of them stay with us. I just talked to two today, one retired after 29 years and another one retired after 20 years. And they've been with me for a long time and they just love the company.
him to grow a business as aggressively as he was, he had to make a lot of sacrifices in his life.
[00:25:07] Oscar: I come home one day, I bought a house on a GI Bill in California, and I come in to my wife and I said, I found a little company I want to buy. And she said, yeah. And I said, we got to sell the house. She said, sell the house. I'm selling the house. And there's a little trailer out there. We're gonna. We're gonna live in a trailer with ten foot wide by 32 foot long on the property, and and we had three kids. And she says, we are. And I go, yeah, I can buy it, but I need the money from the house sale. So we sold the house and moved in a little camp trailer, a little trailer like that out at the location. And then I worked till 10:00 at night, every night until the company got on its feet. And then we sold it and moved into a double wide, and then sold it later and moved it to another home. And and then I sold her house again to enlarge the company to go public. But she never complained about it. She knew if we did, when we gave up stuff to get something else, and I pushed the company to the limit. Sometimes I'd in the early days we would have some good sales. At noon. I said, you got to take this deposit to the bank because I wrote a bunch of checks for other stuff. Should she go to the bank and deposit it? We might make deposits twice a day because I said, I got to get that money in there because I wrote checks for more product coming in.
[00:26:16] Oscar: So did we give up a lot? We I don't know that we gave up a lot, but we risked a lot. We didn't have a problem. Risking what? We had to see that the outcome of something else. And that's that's. I got a lot of friends that that their wives would never let them do that. They got a really good paying job, and they'd come up with a good idea. And the wife says, you're not giving up that high paying job to risk what we have for your dream. That's a lot. There's a whole lot of that out there. Guys that really built a good company are doing it, and they want to gamble again. And the security of the big paychecks was a security blanket that hurt them. And I'm a I'm a firm believer in it. I pay all my execs a lot of money. I give them a lot of stock options. Hopefully they won't leave and go start a company against me or another company. I want them to stay with me. So as long as I'm paying them a lot and they got good benefits and they get good options, they go home and they tell their wives, well, I think I'm going to quit this company and go start my own dream. And she's my ass. You are. You ain't giving up that big paycheck in that stock options. And that's what happens. And I'm no different than anybody else. I don't want people to leave, so I want to pay them a lot, take care of them a lot, make sure they they got to think twice before they leave.
[00:27:34] Harry Morton: Golden handcuffs.
[00:27:34] Oscar: Golden handcuffs. And I don't want them to leave. And but some has left and they failed. And they came back five years later said, hey, it didn't work. Can I have my job back? Sure. I didn't hold no grudge. More power to you. When I shook their hand and said, good luck to you because they helped build the company. They're good people. They just have a dream. And the dream worked out good for them. If a dream didn't work out, it didn't mean I didn't like them. They did a good job when they were with me. The second time they came back, they stayed. The wife wouldn't let him do it twice.
[00:28:10] Sam Parr: Now, we've mentioned his wife a few times now. She's supported him throughout the entire journey. And realistically, they've been a team, as we've said. Having that support, it's been incredibly important to his success. This is where we could take away some amazing value from Oscar's story. You will probably never be successful by yourself or all alone, and if you act like you can or will be, you're gonna lose a lot of the support that's imperative to your growth. Oscar recognizes and respects his wife. They are a team and he treats her as such.
[00:28:41] Oscar: Me and my wife, we've been married 57 years now, so congratulations. She ran some of our locations for a while, and then our kids got older. And our kids being young, two daughters and a son. They ran locations for a while. And then when my wife finally got grandkids, she didn't want to run those locations, and she just wanted to go home and be with her grandkids, which was really great. But I would come home at night and we'd lay in bed and I'd tell her everything that's happening, and she'd give me her opinion and I would take her opinion because she had a really good opinion about what it was.
[00:29:14] Sam Parr: That also means he respects her right to spend their money.
[00:29:17] Harry Morton: Does she ask you when she wants to buy something big? Will she come to you?
[00:29:21] Oscar: I don't ask her. When I go buy cars and she don't ask me to. She goes and does it, but she never buys nothing.
[00:29:26] Harry Morton: Yeah. What's the biggest thing that she's ever bought?
[00:29:27] Oscar: Oh, some diamonds and pearls and stuff like that. When she's with babs.
[00:29:31] Harry Morton: What are those cost? Do you have any idea? Um.
[00:29:35] Oscar: She's been up to. She's got some six, $700,000 jewelry. And she's with Babs.
[00:29:43] Harry Morton: So wait, if you see $600,000, hit the credit card. Do you blink?
[00:29:47] Oscar: Yeah.
[00:29:48] Harry Morton: Oh.
[00:29:50] Oscar: Because I can go out to an auction and spend a couple million. So she don't say nothing.
[00:29:54] Harry Morton: Like it's nothing. Yeah. Yes. You guys don't have any sort of like, hey, call each other before you make a big expense.
[00:29:59] Oscar: No, I get a text on my phone that she. I see what she's spending, but I it doesn't bother me. I just, I don't make sure credit card doesn't get hacked. So anytime she spends money, it text me and I know, okay. She's She's over there buying furniture.
[00:30:14] Harry Morton: And you said the biggest thing that she buys is what?
[00:30:17] Oscar: The biggest things she buys are usually jewelry.
[00:30:19] Harry Morton: Jewelry?
[00:30:20] Oscar: She'll buy some furniture, but that doesn't. Furniture don't add up to a jewelry cost.
[00:30:23] Harry Morton: What's the jewelry cost?
[00:30:25] Oscar: Well, most of her jewelry is under 50 grand, but sometimes she'll buy, you know, half $1 million in jewelry. But that's just what she does. I mean, that's what she buys. Some of it for kids, for our kids are in their 30s and 40s and 50s. So. So sometimes she's just buying jewelry for her granddaughters or something for gifts.
[00:30:47] Harry Morton: You guys are very family oriented.
[00:30:49] Oscar: Real family oriented. Yeah.
[00:30:51] Harry Morton: Where do you think that came from and why is that so important to you?
[00:30:53] Oscar: Well, when you're raised with a I was raised with there's eight of us siblings and she was there's four in hers. And we've been married so long that her sisters and brothers run around with my sisters and brothers, because we've been married so long, I think it's just both sides, which are both Christian families. And we got together. Her mom and dad and my mom and dad got along real good. And and we always I always had a lot of family work for me. And so we just picked and her family worked for me too. And, uh, years ago, years ago, when, when we get our first location, I borrowed some money off of her relatives and mine, and they all gave me money and short term loan, six month loan, a year loan and got us started. So after we got started and the company got going, we issued stock to them. So they're all mega rich too. So as when the stock was cheap, we uh, did a grant, these grant family grants that Walton came up the Walton grants, and we put loan stock into the grant. And then after two years, we got back the valuation of that stock. But what was over? They got the upside. So they're all worth tens of millions of dollars to.
[00:32:01] Harry Morton: They've got to love you.
[00:32:02] Oscar: So when you got sisters and brothers, if you can give it to them while they're alive and they get to buy new homes and cars and everything. Then you get to see it while you're alive. Wait until you die to give it. That's not no good. You need. You got money. You need to help them all out. And of course, that teaches them. If we give to them, they let it roll down here and they give to their kids, and they help their kids get into business. So it's more of a pay it forward type deal. We give it to them, they give it to their kids. Most all of it is in stock. So the longer they keep the stock, the more wealthy they get. Some are spendthrifts and they spend it as fast as they get it and some don't. But we don't really care once we give it. We don't care what as long as they're not buying drugs or alcohol, then we don't really care.
[00:32:47] Sam Parr: He's being very serious when he says as long as it's not being spent on drugs and alcohol. He's thought a ton about how he's going to pass along his wealth.
[00:32:55] Oscar: We got him in all these living trusts and regular trusts. So it's going to go through down through generations and we call it generation skipping. So it goes through generations of our kids and our grandkids and our and great grandkids. So do I have the philosophy? A lot of them say I'm not giving it to my kids. They need to work hard and get it and they're not getting out. Well, I worked real hard for it. So they get it over time and they don't get it all at once. They get it. They get it when they turn a certain age, they get it, and then they get it over the next 40 years. And then if they die, it goes to their kids and it's over time. So it's all set up in a time release. So they're wealthy, but they're not stupid wealthy. And two, they have to get drug tests every year to get the release. And it's a hair drug test. So if they don't pass it through the banks, you don't pass a hair drug test, then you don't get that.
[00:33:45] Harry Morton: So what's an example? If you fail drug test, like how much money are they going to be missing out on?
[00:33:49] Oscar: Well, they're all different because some of them was real young when they got their stock and some are older when later you was born. Your stock hasn't matured enough because they're only eight years old, and they got to wait another 17 years before 25 before it starts vesting. Testing. So it's what's what's the stock going to be at 2017 years from now. And the other one started years ago that is already vested. And they've went through the big upside. So all the grandkids and everybody it's a different nobody's treated equal. It's when you was born when you got the stock and that's where it went up.
[00:34:30] Sam Parr: Now earlier I teased that Oscar's portfolio was a bit surprising considering how much he's worth. There's always advice to diversify. And and realistically, that's probably great advice for most people. Now Oscar's situation, he's not normal at all. I mean, he's an extreme success, which means that he actually didn't follow a lot of traditional or smart advice, and it worked out wonderfully for him. Hang on a sec for that.
[00:34:52] Harry Morton: How was your portfolio broken down?
[00:34:55] Oscar: Just my own company. I have control over it. Although I'm retired, I'm still chairman of the board. I kind of, uh, pretty much watch. I read because the internet now you can see everything. I can see everything every day. And I'm real tight with all of our upper management. So I kind of watch what it does, and I don't have to invest in other companies. I just I got a lot of my all my net worth is in it.
[00:35:16] Harry Morton: But all of it.
[00:35:17] Oscar: All of it, my maybe 50 million is somewhere else, but that's a minor amount of.
[00:35:22] Harry Morton: What's the 50 million in.
[00:35:23] Oscar: Other public companies that's solid, like mine.
[00:35:27] Harry Morton: That you personally picked or that are kind of more index funds?
[00:35:29] Oscar: I personally pick and I'm, I just bought them years ago and they're worth up. They're way worth where I bought them for. I just bought them to put some money there and they've done really good. But they never compete with my company because we've grown so much.
[00:35:43] Harry Morton: So when you have $3 billion, you got to think about that. Money's going to last for a long time.
[00:35:47] Oscar: Yeah. We'll never spend it. We don't. It's kind of like Warren Buffett said. He doesn't pay taxes. Well, I don't I pay taxes on the interest. We got enough cash in a bank. That's that's drawing 5% interest today. Well, I got to pay tax on that. But I'll probably never sell no more stock I don't need it. I just don't need it. I just.
[00:36:05] Harry Morton: So what do you do with it then? You hand it.
[00:36:07] Oscar: It just sits and draws interest. That interest, whatever the government's paying and treasuries and it just grows and grows and grows. But our stock keeps growing up too. So. So I got 53 million shares. So when it goes up a dollar, I go, I make 53 million bucks. That's pretty big numbers. But when it goes down a dollar I lose 53 million. But over time, the stock goes up and up and up and up because because we're part of the economic industry in America, in the commodities that we're in. It can't go away. It's it's part of life. It's like you can't take food away. You can't take mine away.
[00:36:41] Harry Morton: Do you have any idea what the monthly spend turns out to be?
[00:36:44] Oscar: My monthly spend?
[00:36:45] Harry Morton: Yes. Personally.
[00:36:47] Oscar: We don't owe nothing on nothing other than what it cost to keep the the airplane running and the cattle monthly. I would say yearly is probably more like 6 or 7 million a year.
[00:37:00] Harry Morton: Mhm. For people who are newly wealthy, are there any mistakes that you see them commonly make that kind of make you cringe?
[00:37:07] Oscar: I see it all the time. It's terrible. They went into an industry and they made a lot of money, and all of a sudden they think they're a genius in every industry. They're not. People aren't. That's what we get from Wall Street. You see it in investment bankers. They go in. They're taught by a professor at a college. He's teaching college, teaching how to make money, but he's a teacher in college. Why didn't he go out in the market and him be it. But he's teaching them and what they're taught, what they're taught is, if you can run a supermarket, then you can run a hotel or you can run a digital company. Are you going to run? They're all the same, and it's not the same. If you're smart in one industry, industry doesn't mean you're smart in everything. You're smart in what you are trained at. And the mistake they do is they made a lot of money in something. Then they get out and said, I want to own a bunch of land. I want to own commercial land. What commercial land is a bad it's a good investment if that's all you do. But you got to remember, commercial land every ten years takes a dump. Houses and everything has a trouble on a commercial. Land is really good.
[00:38:06] Oscar: Good in good times. But when things get tough, the people in them buildings, they go broke. Now you got a gigantic warehouse that's sitting empty that you got to maintain, and you got to pay property tax on it. I've watched it over and over and over, and they took a lot of money to make less stay in the business that you're good at, or get the heck out of it and invest in companies that you know. But just because they talk on Wall Street, oh, this is a very good company. And it's got all this growth and everything that's well and fine. But there's a lot of good companies out there that's been there for many, many years. But you got to really watch what you invest in. So I've seen them make these bad decisions and take a lot of cash that they'd earn instead of being safe and getting 4 or 5% interest on it. They'll invest it and then they lose their ever loving. But because somebody say, oh, that's a new idea and I'll put a lot of money in it. And then the stock takes a dump. And, uh, and Warren Buffett is pretty much proved he by. And he is set for a long time. But you buy good companies and just forget about it.
[00:39:09] Harry Morton: Have patience.
[00:39:10] Oscar: Have patience. The companies I have are stable companies part of America. It's going to take a really bad CEO to bring them down. And if I see they get a bad CEO, then I'll just cash out and put in something else.
[00:39:24] Harry Morton: Goodbye.
[00:39:25] Oscar: But it's really it's a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money for my net worth.
[00:39:29] Harry Morton: I want to end here. So imagine you're just coming back from your tour in Vietnam, knowing everything you know now. What advice would you give to that younger self?
[00:39:40] Oscar: Well, I think if you come back, you got to figure out what you want to end up in life. A 20 year old man doesn't really know a 20 year old woman. A lot of times knows what they want. A man really doesn't know where he wants to do till he's 27 to 30 years old. Then they make the their major decisions. So when you're 20 years old and you get out of the service, you got to figure out what kind of job you like, what you really want to do, what you want to get out of life. If you want to work for somebody, then that's terrific. The difference in working for somebody is you're working for a salary and you're happy working for yourself. It's the long game. You're going to put a lot of time and effort. When you start later on, all that ownership comes back. Now you own it all. As long as you don't keep it in the debt. I never had debt. Just grow, grow, grow, put and don't go out and buy a brand new Ferrari, brand new Mercedes. When you're just getting on your feet, still drive that Chevrolet or Ford and buy a brand new forklift, or a brand new truck, or a brand new something that makes you money. Don't give it to yourself. You'll have plenty of time down the road when you're in your 40s that you can start cashing out, and you've got a cash cow making you money.
[00:40:56] Sam Parr: Before we wrap up, I've got to give a shout out to Andrew Nemani. He hosts this podcast called Permission to Shine, and I asked him to go find a billionaire to interview and he did it. It was great. I loved hearing Oscar's story. The reason I loved this story is because I hang out with a lot of Silicon Valley, New York types, and a lot of time they come off like they want to be sophisticated or, I don't know, they come off a little bit more polished than Oscar. But I love these stories. I like these stories of people who it kind of feels like they're winging it, and it kind of feels like they're out there just feeling the energy. And I love that. I think that there's a lot of ways to be successful. I think that planning things out, I think saving the world and having this mission driven company, I think that's great. But I also think that sometimes just doing what feels good and having a blast doing it and treating the people around you like your employees and your family and your team treating them wonderfully. I think that is just a good enough reason to get into business. I think it could be that simple. I also respect how he's been at it for this long, and I love how he treats his wife. I'm talking stories of people in the South or people in the Midwest, farmers, people who you may not read about in, like TechCrunch or Business Insider or like some of the popular stuff out there. If you have any of these cool stories about billionaires, about wealthy people, I would love to talk about them, because I think that these stories where these guys kind of have this like, aw, shucks attitude.
[00:42:22] Sam Parr: I love that attitude, and I want to highlight some of those stories. So email me. My email is Sam Parr at wspa.com. And of course, we're going to be back next week and the week after. And a bunch of weeks after that to give you more of these episodes. But if you are a business owner, if you run a company, if you're the CEO of a company, please check out my company Hampton. It's join Hampton. Com that's the URL. The way it works is people apply and you have to be the CEO of a digital based company. Our average company does something like 30 or 40 million in revenue. And when you join, we team you up with a group of eight people and you meet with them in real life, oftentimes to discuss each month the things that are going on in your life and your business. It's just a really easy way to have a confidential conversation about topics that you can't have anywhere else with people who are in similar situations as you, so check it out, join Hamptons.com. And also I have to give a shout out to Lower Street. They're the production company that makes this podcast. They have this new thing called Authority by Lower Street, and it's basically made it incredibly easy to have a podcast exactly like this one. It's meant for busy founders and business leaders and things like that. You can check them out. Lower street authority. All right. That's moneywise. That's the pod. I'll talk to you guys soon. You can hit me up on Twitter. The Sam Parr let me know what you thought about this episode. And also Andrew Namemy Permission to Shine. Check out his work. And we are incredibly grateful that he went and got this interview.
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